FOX and FX Shows











New as of 7/16: Shows for which we probably don't have to worry too much that we'll miss seeing:
I'm sorting through all the titles that have been submitted, and trying to get a bead on whether or not they are on the chopping block. Who owns how much of what, and what that means as far as rights to the show is definitely not my strength. My info comes from IMDb. If you have better/different info, please let us know in the comments. In any case, take this info for what it's worth, and not as a guarantee.

Shows not owned by any of the FOX companies (although they did air on FOX), so seems unlikely they will be pulled as part of the FOX exit:
> The Following - owned by Warner Bros. TV
> Gotham - owned by Warner Bros. TV
> That '70s Show - owned by Carsey-Werner Productions
When I spoke to Customer Service, I did ask about The Following and That '70s Show, and the rep said neither one was on the list of FOX shows leaving in 2017.

This next list is for shows that are apparently owned by more than one entity, including one of the FOX companies. More importantly, these shows have only one season streaming, so if they are going to leave, we'll get the standard 30-day notice on My List and also on uNoGS.com. And, it's just the one season.
> Bordertown
> The Chicago Code
> Cooper Barrett's Guide to Surviving Life
> Dollhouse
Note for Dollhouse: This is the only title on this list for which FOX was listed first as an owner. Also, Season 1 expired on April 1, when several other FOX shows left. That makes me tend to think it will be scheduled for expiration before the purge is over.
> The Finder
> Friends with Benefits
> Life in Pieces
> Queen of the South
> Rosewood

Finally (for now), sounds like we don't have to worry about American Crime Story: The People v. O.J. Simpson. According to Wellesley72, "Netflix paid big bucks to FX to get an exclusive on the first and subsequent seasons of American Crime Story, so that show is not going anywhere else in the near future."

I still have about a dozen shows to check out. Hopefully, I'll have that report tomorrow.

Thanks to Wellesley72 and everyone else who contributed FOX titles and info to help me get on the right track for sorting things out.

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July 13:
FOX is purportedly ending their relationship with Netflix, and pulling all their shows from the streaming service. This includes (I think) all FOX-owned content, including FX shows, and shows owned by FOX that aired on other networks.

On Wednesday, July 12, I talked to Netflix Customer Service. The woman I spoke to did, indeed, have a list of FOX shows that are expiring. Her list went only to the end of 2017, unlike the former two reps I spoke to, who had information about some of the Futurama seasons expiring in February 2018.

Following are two lists with the information the CS rep gave me today. The first is alphabetical by show title, then by season number. The second list is by expiration date. Both lists have the exact same information. Please note that there was some ambiguity about whether the dates she gave me were "Available until" dates or last days to watch. To be safe, consider them the former. 

How reliable are these dates? I tend to think fairly reliable, but I'll be happier once we can start checking the earlier ones. I have to think they're better than nothing, which is what we've had so far. Make your viewing decisions using your own best judgement.

The lists that follow are everything I have as far as actual dates, but check for updates at the top of the page for more information relevant to the FOX exodus.

Note: The blue hi-lite is just to make it easier to read across the row.
FOX and FX Shows on Netflix
Expiration Date
American Dad! - Seasons 1-4        Confirmed
August 14
American Horror Story -
5 Seasons:
Murder House
November 19
Asylum
December 6
Coven
December 5
Freak Show
October 5
Hotel
October 3
The Bernie Mac Show - Seasons 1-5               
September 30
Better Off Ted - Season 2
August 31
Bones - Seasons 5-11                                        
October 20
The Cleveland Show - Seasons 1-4
October 18
Cristela - Season 1                                            
November 15
The Deep End - Season 1
August 31
Don’t Trust the B— in Apartment 23 -            
                                                      Seasons 1-2
                
October 7
Family Guy -                              Seasons 1-8
                                                   Seasons 9-14
not on 2017 list
October 28
Futurama
(These dates came from a prior NF CS call.)
Season 7
Season 8
Season 9
Season 10
February 19 (’18)
February 18 (’18)
February 9 (’18)
December 10
The Grinder - Season 1                                     
October 3
How I Met Your Mother - Seasons 1-9
November 12
It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia -                 
                                                     Seasons 1-11
                   
December 8
Last Man Standing - Seasons 1-5
September 29
The League - Seasons 1-7                                
August 29
Legends - Seasons 1-2
November 29
Lie to Me - Seasons 2-3                                   
October 26
Louie - Seasons 1-5
October 26
Malcolm in the Middle -Seasons 1-7               
September 30
My Name Is Earl - Seasons 1-4
September 30
Persons Unknown - Season 1                           
September 18
Prison Break - Seasons 1-4
September 30
Raising Hope -                                 Season 1
                                                         Season 2
                                                         Season 3
                                                         Season 4
September 19
October 4
October 7
October 6
Salem -                                               Season 1
                                                      Seasons 2-3
October 27
not on 2017 list
Terra Nova - Season 1
September 10
Terriers - Season 1                                            
November 30
Touch -                                              Season 1
                                                          Season 2
October 15
November 30
The Wonder Years - Seasons 1-6                      
September 30


August 14
American Dad! - Seasons 1-4

August 29
The League - Seasons 1-7

August 31
Better Off Ted - Season 2
The Deep End - Season 1

September 10
Terra Nova - Season 1

September 18
Persons Unknown - Season 1

September 19
Raising Hope - Season 1

September 29
Last Man Standing - Seasons 1-5

September 30
The Bernie Mac Show - Seasons 1-5
Malcolm in the Middle -Seasons 1-7
My Name Is Earl - Seasons 1-4
Prison Break - Seasons 1-4
The Wonder Years - Seasons 1-6

October 3
American Horror Story - Hotel
The Grinder - Season 1

October 4
Raising Hope - Season 2

October 5
American Horror Story - Freak Show

October 6
Raising Hope - Season 4

October 7
Don’t Trust the B— in Apartment 23 - Seasons 1-2
Raising Hope - Season 3

October 15
Touch - Season 1

October 18
The Cleveland Show - Seasons 1-4

October 20
Bones - Seasons 5-11

October 26
Lie to Me - Seasons 2-3
Louie - Seasons 1-5

October 27
Salem - Season 1
Note: Seasons 2-3 of Salem do not currently have an expiration date.

October 28
Family Guy - Seasons 9-14
Note: Seasons 1-8 of Family Guy do not currently have an expiration date.

November 12
How I Met Your Mother - Seasons 1-9

November 15
Cristela - Season 1

November 19
American Horror Story - Murder House

November 29
Legends - Seasons 1-2

November 30    
Terriers - Season 1
Touch - Season 2

December 5
American Horror Story - Coven

December 6
American Horror Story - Asylum

December 8
It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia - Seasons 1-11

December 10
Futurama - Season 10

2018
January - Nothing expiring in January at this time

February 9
Futurama - Season 9

February 18
Futurama - Season 8

February 19
Futurama - Season 7


27 comments:

  1. moved from main pageJuly 13, 2017 at 7:57 AM

    Wellesley72 July 12, 2017 at 6:43 AM
    Hulu and Fox have announced a deal for Hulu to stream Bob's Burgers and The Cleveland Show exclusively on Hulu. No expiration date is showing on Netflix for The Cleveland Show, but fair warning. Hulu and Fox have also agreed to stream all past seasons of Futurama and American Dad. Since we already know the remaining seasons of Futurama will expire around the end of this year and Netflix has already ready removed a fair number of seasons of American Dad, no big surprise there. And no one should really be surprised that these shows are moving to Hulu, since Fox is a part owner of the streaming service.

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    1. Carol July 12, 2017 at 7:16 AM
      I'm in the process of checking all FOX and FX shows that have more than one season, so we don't miss any partial expirations. Besides The Cleveland Show, the currently streaming shows I checked that DON"T have any "Available until" notices are:

      90210
      American Dad
      American Horror Story
      Archer
      The Bernie Mac Show
      Bones
      Damages
      Family Guy
      The Following
      Gotham
      Lie to Me
      Touch

      I plan to check the following shows today:
      Glee
      It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
      The League
      Louie
      Malcolm in the Middle
      New Girl
      Prison Break
      Raising Hope
      Sons of Anarchy
      That '70s Show

      I'll let you know tomorrow if I find anything that is expiring. We already know about Futurama. Are there any other FOX/FX shows I haven't listed?

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    2. Tony Ramirez July 12, 2017 at 10:15 AM
      Thank goodness for Hulu. Too think I was going to drop them years ago. Also Carol "That 70's show" I think is produced by Sony not Fox even though it aired on Fox.

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    3. Travis July 12, 2017 at 10:46 AM
      i was wondering about that, too, because The Carmichael Show aired on nbc but was produced by fox. as was discussed on a previous page, the 3rd season was also made exclusive to hulu, and the show was canceled more recently, so i wouldn't count on the final season ever coming to netflix. it's just a matter of whether this and any other shows fox produced that aired on networks other than fox and fx will also be removed from netflix within the year.

      (sorry for the "off-topic" commentary)

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    4. Tony Ramirez July 12, 2017 at 10:51 AM
      I am wrong I think that 70's show is a fox show. If so my cousins step kids are going to be annoyed as they watch that show a lot on Netflix.

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    5. CanandaiguaNY July 12, 2017 at 12:15 PM
      American Crime Story: The People v. O.J. Simpson is also listed as an FX production. It's streaming and not now showing as expiring.

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    6. Wellesley72 July 12, 2017 at 12:26 PM
      Carol, 90210 was produced by CBS, and The Following and Gotham, while shown on Fox, are produced by Warner Bros. TV.

      Here is a list of additional shows produced or co-produced by 20th Century Fox, Fox 21 TV or any other production company under the Fox umbrella. Where the program was or is not being shown on Fox or FX, I have listed the applicable network next to it. All of this info is from Wikipedia:

      Arrested Development(Fox/Netflix)
      How I Met Your Mother (CBS)
      Lie to Me
      Better off Ted (ABC)
      Chicago Code
      Friends with Benefits (NBC)
      Last Man Standing (ABC)
      The Finder
      Touch

      More to come...

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    7. Anonymous July 12, 2017 at 12:30 PM
      More Fox/FX series to check:

      Fox:
      Dollhouse
      The Chicago Code
      The Finder

      FX:
      American Crime Story: The People v. O.J. Simpson

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    8. Wellesley72 July 12, 2017 at 12:37 PM
      Also,
      Don't Touch the B--- in Apt. 23 (ABC)
      Life in Pieces (CBS)
      Rosewood
      The Grinder
      Cooper Barrett's Guide to Surviving Life
      White Collar (USA)
      The Killing (AMC/ Netflix)
      Maron (IFC)
      Terriers
      Breakout Kings (A&E)
      Brickelberry (Comedy Central)
      Salem (WGN America)
      Legends (TNT)
      Queen of the South (USA)
      Malcolm in the Middle (ABC)
      The Wonder Years(ABC)
      Bordertown

      Before anyone has a heart attack, I am not aware of any of these shows expiring on Netflix. The only show from Fox animation that is relatively new is Bordertown, which only lasted one season. Some of the other shows listed, like Grinder and Touch, were also one-season wonders.

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    9. Wellesley72 July 12, 2017 at 12:43 PM
      Netflix paid big bucks to FX to get an exclusive on the first and subsequent seasons to American Crime Story, so that show is not going anywhere else in the near future.

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    10. Wellesley72 July 12, 2017 at 12:48 PM
      Thanks, Anonymous, The Finder was also on my list but I forgot to include it. Same with American Crime Story. Incidentally, there was no mention of Family Guy leaving Netflix in the article I read (which was from TV Guide). However, like the shows listed as going to Hulu, Family Guy is produced by Fox Animation.

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    11. iwilliam July 12, 2017 at 12:51 PM
      @ Tony Ramirez

      you say "Thank goodness for Hulu," but I feel the need to point out the irony in this statement -- Because Hulu, and Fox, are the ones who are doing this to you and all the other Netflix customers. As Wellesley72 pointed out above-- Fox is part owner of Hulu. That is the exact reason all of the Fox-produced shows have been disappearing from Netflix, but are on Hulu.

      The streaming game is getting more intense. Streaming is big business, and overtaking cable in terms of subscriber numbers. Traditional television networks and cable companies have stake in Hulu. Netflix is the one who's largely responsible for helping to kill cable TV. Even if it weren't for this semi-adversarial relationship with traditional media, Hulu would be trying to overcome Netflix as a direct competitor. But considering everything, who knows, maybe some part of that is even "personal" as much as it's business.

      But this whole thing puts people like myself in a bad position. I'd like to have access to some of these Fox shows, but I DO NOT want to REWARD Hulu and Fox for screwing over Netflix customers. Maybe it's in their best interest. Maybe such "selfish" choices make perfect sense in the world of business, and even in this case specifically.

      But I don't have to like it, and I don't want to support it. Even worse, is how many other traditional media companies have stake in Hulu.

      Hulu is:

      30% Disney (Through ABC Television Group)

      30% 21st Century Fox (Through Fox Entertainment Group)

      30% Comcast (Through NBC Universal)

      10% Time Warner (Through Turner Broadcasting System)

      So really, Hulu, through the magic of giant powerful conglomerates, actually represents not just four, but EIGHT different traditional media giants. All working together, to directly compete with Netflix, the very company that's been cutting into their profits for years now. They might as well call it the "Eff Netflix Group" or "Scru-u"

      But because they're representing such a wide range of major entertainment companies (Disney, ABC, Fox, 21st Century Fox, NBC / Universal, Comcast, Turner, Time Warner) they have an unusual ability to strip Netflix of a VERY LARGE portion of their popular licensed content. In fact, I believe the growth of a Hulu is a large part of the reason Netflix has decided to focus so heavily on Original Content. If Hulu takes on any more major partners, they could choke Netflix right out of the licensed streaming game.

      So I get what you're saying. It's good to have options. It's great we can still access what we want or need. But much as I want some of the content on Hulu, I'm not sure I want to financially support such a blatant attempt for traditional media to overtake the new frontier of streaming. We've all seen how bad and expensively anti-consumer they made cable. Do we really want to give them the keys to the streaming kingdom as well? Because as we've all seen with Netflix -- once a company gets to the top of the media game, it's hard to knock them off the throne again.

      Please excuse the rant, but hopefully you get where I'm coming from.

      Take care. Have a great day.

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    12. Carol July 12, 2017 at 1:25 PM
      Oy! I'm going to make a page for all shows listed in this thread, so there's a permanent place everyone can refer to for shows potentially expiring due to the FOX pull-out. I don't know what the deadline is for everything to be gone. For all single-season shows, we should get the regular 30 days notice. Hopefully, some of the multiple-season shows will also follow this pattern.

      My big concern is the partial seasons pattern that we've seen with American Dad!, Futurama, Wilfred, and Bob's Burgers (maybe more, can't remember). I don't trust Netflix to put all such shows on the press release. We'll have to remain vigilant for those brief notices in the top left corner of the screen when episodes begin.

      P.S. For anyone unhappy that this thread has taken up so much room on the main page, I'll also move the comments to the new page.

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    13. Tony Ramirez July 12, 2017 at 1:35 PM
      Good idea Carol so you will move all our posts there as you don't like us commenting here about non expiring comments.

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    14. Nica July 12, 2017 at 4:29 PM
      Thanks, Carol. I was going to suggest this when you had a moment to breathe (since this seems like it will span quite a few months). As for partial expirations, Bones and Lie to Me fell into that category as well. I don't trust the press releases, either, and went through my list to find all those multi-season shows that aired on Fox so that I can start watching them to get through them in case of partial expirations.

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  2. WOW!!! Does this mean no future seasons of American Horror Story, Family Guy or Louie?

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    1. I suspect that's the case.

      After the very disappointing season six of AHS I was planning on not watching the upcoming season seven live and instead just wait for it to show up on Netflix but it looks like I'll have to watch it live after all.

      The problem with a few of these Fox shows that are on My List is that they have quite a few seasons like It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia with a whopping eleven seasons! I could never get around to watching all of them so I'm going to have to go through the list and figure out which will be worth watching and which I'll just have to let expire without being watched.

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    2. There was an interesting column earlier this week by The New York Times TV critic saying there is no shame in missing some episodes of a show or even some seasons if they are not particularly good. You might want to Google your favorite Fox shows with "best episodes" or "best seasons" and go from there. That's what I plan on doing with The Wonder Years.

      Incidentally, AHS is also streaming on Amazon Prime.

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  3. Thank you Carol, this list will be really helpful:)

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  4. Thanks, Carol. I'm not fond of how I'll have to jump around in American Horror Story based on those dates (especially since I'm already in the middle of the first season), but at least there is enough time that I can shift gears rather comfortably.

    This also makes me glad that I have the DVD plan as well, since most of the FOX and FX shows on my queue that are multiple seasons that I haven't gotten around to yet are also available on DVD.

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  5. No new dates, but I did categorize some of the other (not on the above chart) titles we have, to help think about what's most important to watch. See top of the page.

    Also, happy to see that American Dad! is now showing "Available until" 8/15 on My List. That gives me hope that we have good dates on the chart. Also, it would seem that the dates the gal gave me are "last day to watch" dates. But I'm still going to be cautious about that.

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  6. http://cordcuttersnews.com/hulu-adding-every-episode-26-popular-fox-shows-including-glee-mash-bones/
    Glad to see the shows going somewhere.
    Once the CW and Disney deal comes up for renewal and I bet NF won't renew it thet can go to turd original only content.

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    1. No surprise from Fox. Netflix outbid Hulu for exclusive rights to stream CW shows. If the deal is similar to the prior deal, Netflix has the rights to every season of any show streaming on the CW and, after the show ends, for a five-year period afterwards. The Disney deal runs for four to five years (until 2019 or 2020). Hulu can't afford to match whatever Netflix is paying for the first rights to these films.

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    2. I have feeling that NF is not going to renew the Disney deal in 2020 they most likely rather produce there pathetic 15% kids content.

      Then Disney will have there own micro sub which I actually look forward too imagine all Disney shows from the past movies, TV shows and modern shows for about $5 a month I would sign up right away.

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    3. $5/month isn't going to get you Moana or Rogue One six months after they are in theaters. Any deal with Disney for older movies or TV shows is not part of the current deal. There have been separate deals for TV shows from ABC, Freeform, Disney Channel, etc. and Netflix shows some (but by no means) all of Disney's older catalogue of films. You can complain that there aren't enough family-friendly Disney shows and older films on Netflix; some are on Hulu, others are on various ABC/Disney channels, including a premium channel you can buy as part of a cable subscription. I can see that premium channel being sold as a streaming site, just like I can see ESPN being sold as a stand-alone streaming option. However, I think Disney will always be selling content to Netflix.

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  7. The plot thickens.

    http://exstreamist.com/hulu-to-add-dozens-of-favorite-tv-shows-back-catalogs/

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