FOX and FX Shows











FOX is purportedly ending their relationship with Netflix, and pulling all their shows from the streaming service. This includes (I think) all FOX-owned content, including FX shows, and shows owned by FOX that aired on other networks. 

I've sorted through all the titles, trying to get a bead on whether or not they are on the chopping block. Many have multiple production companies involved with the show. Who owns how much of what, and what that means as far as rights to the show, is definitely not my strength.

Below, you will find three sections that list all of the possibly affected shows we are aware of. (If you know of others, please let us know in the comments.) Please take this info for what it's worth, and not as a guarantee.

Please note: Some shows have a (H) symbol preceding the title in the lists below. This means they have been identified as going to Hulu. Others might also be going to Hulu, but the full list has not yet been released. (Please let us know if you come across this information.)

Thanks to Wellesley72, Anonymous, CanandaiguaNY, Travis, Tony, Apple, and Nica for supplying information that helped to create these lists.

Section I: Shows that we'll especially want to keep an eye on.

A. Shows with multiple seasons. Following are shows that could be subject to the problem of some seasons leaving before others. Several of the FOX shows that have already expired did not follow the traditional pattern of the whole series leaving on the same day. Instead, some seasons left first, then others later (not always sequentially). When series leave in pieces, they don't show an "available until" notice on My List or the show's info page until the whole show will be gone. Unless you actually play the expiring season, there's no way to know it's expiring (at the beginning of an episode, the notice appears briefly in the top left corner of the screen). The shows on this list are all owned by FOX, at least in part. 
Note: If there are any of these you don't want to miss, you can check each season periodically by just playing the first minute, and looking for the notice.

> Archer - Seasons 1-7
> Breakout Kings - Seasons 1-2
> Brickleberry - Seasons 1-3
> (H) Burn Notice - Seasons 1-7
> The Carmichael Show - Seasons 1-2
> Damages - Seasons 1-5 - last day: 10/13
> (H) Glee - Seasons 1-6
Note for Glee: I asked the C.S. rep (that gave me the info in Section III) about Glee. She said it was not on her list of FOX shows expiring in 2017.
> Maron - Seasons 1-4
> New Girl - Seasons 1-5
> Sons of Anarchy - Seasons 1-7
> (H) White Collar - Seasons 1-6

B. Special cases. The following two shows are unique in that they both started out as television series produced by FOX, but have later seasons produced by Netflix. Not sure what category that puts them in as far as their future on Netflix. 

> Arrested Development - Seasons 1-4
Note: Even though Netflix owns Season 4, all four seasons were scheduled for expiration this past May, but then did not leave after all. What might that mean? Not sure.
> The Killing - Seasons 1-4

Section II: Shows for which we probably don't have to worry too much that we'll miss seeing.

A. Shows that have only one season. If the following shows are going to leave, we'll get the standard 30-day notice on My List, and also on sites like uNoGS.com. And, it's just the one season we'll have to make time to watch. These are all FOX-owned, at least partially.

> Bordertown
> The Chicago Code
> Cooper Barrett's Guide to Surviving Life
> (H) Dollhouse
Note for Dollhouse: This is the only title on this list for which FOX was listed first as an owner. Also, Season 1 expired on April 1, when several other FOX shows left. That makes me tend to think it will be scheduled for expiration before the purge is over.
> The Finder
> Friends with Benefits
> (H) Life in Pieces
> Queen of the South
> Rosewood

B. Special case. American Crime Story: The People v. O.J. Simpson. According to Wellesley72, "Netflix paid big bucks to FX to get an exclusive on the first and subsequent seasons of American Crime Story, so that show is not going anywhere else in the near future." Sounds like we can rest easy on this one.

C. Shows not owned by any of the FOX companies (although they did air on FOX), so seems unlikely they will be pulled as part of the FOX exit:
> The Following - owned by Warner Bros. TV
> Gotham - owned by Warner Bros. TV
> That '70s Show - owned by Carsey-Werner Productions
When I spoke to Customer Service (see next Section), I did ask about The Following and That '70s Show, and the rep said neither one was on the list of FOX shows leaving in 2017.

Section III: Shows for which we have more concrete information.

A. A list of expiration dates by series title and season. On Wednesday, July 12, I talked to Netflix Customer Service. The woman I spoke to had a list of FOX shows that are expiring. Her list went only to the end of 2017, unlike the former two reps I spoke to, who had information about some of the Futurama seasons expiring in February 2018.

How reliable are these dates? I tend to think fairly reliable, but I'll be happier when the first several prove correct. I'm less confident that her list was complete. It might have been a "what we know so far" list, and other shows on this page might end up expiring this year as well. Make your viewing decisions using your own best judgement.

Note: The blue hi-lite is just to make it easier to read across the row.
✓ = Confirmed (when not enough space)
FOX and FX Shows on Netflix
Last Day to Watch
(H) American Dad! - Seasons 1-4      Expired
August 14
American Horror Story -
5 Seasons:                                                                                                       Renewed                              Renewed
Murder House
November 19
Asylum
December 6
Coven
December 5
Freak Show   
October 5     
Hotel              
October 3     
(H) The Bernie Mac Show - Seasons 1-5    
September 30
(H) Better Off Ted - Season 2            Expired
August 31
(H) Bones - Seasons 5-11              Confirmed
October 20
(H) The Cleveland Show - Seasons 1-4        
October 18
Cristela - Season 1                                            
November 15
The Deep End - Season 1                   Expired
August 31
(H) Don’t Trust the B— in Apartment 23 -      
                                 Seasons 1-2   Confirmed
                
October 7
Family Guy -                              Seasons 1-8
                               Seasons 9-14   Confirmed
not on 2017 list
October 28
(H) Futurama
(These dates came from a prior NF CS call.)
Season 7
Season 8
Season 9
Season 10
February 19 (’18)
February 18 (’18)
February 9 (’18)
December 10
(H) The Grinder - Season 1           Confirmed
October 3
(H) How I Met Your Mother - Seasons 1-9
November 12
It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia -                 
                                                     Seasons 1-11
                   
December 8
Last Man Standing - Seasons 1-5  Confirmed
September 29
The League - Seasons 1-7                  Expired 
August 29
Legends - Seasons 1-2
November 29
(H) Lie to Me - Seasons 2-3         Confirmed 
October 26
Louie - Seasons 1-5                       Confirmed
October 26
Malcolm in the Middle-7 Seasons Confirmed
September 30
My Name Is Earl - Seasons 1-4     Confirmed
September 30
Persons Unknown - Season 1             Expired
September 18
Prison Break - Seasons 1-4            Confirmed
September 30
(H) Raising Hope -        Season 1  Expired     
                                       Season 2  Confirmed
                                       Season 3  Confirmed
                                       Season 4  Confirmed
September 19
October 4
October 7
October 6
Salem -                                               Season 1
                                                      Seasons 2-3
October 27
not on 2017 list
Terra Nova - Season 1                        Expired
September 10
Terriers - Season 1                                            
November 30
Touch -                           Season 1  Confirmed
                                                          Season 2
October 15
November 30
The Wonder Years - Seasons 1-6  Confirmed 
September 30


B. Date order of last days to watch all shows we have dates for - from all lists above.
The (H) symbols do not appear on this list.

August 14
American Dad! - Seasons 1-4

August 29
The League - Seasons 1-7

August 31
Better Off Ted - Season 2
The Deep End - Season 1

September 10
Terra Nova - Season 1

September 18
Persons Unknown - Season 1

September 19
Raising Hope - Season 1

September 29
Last Man Standing - Seasons 1-5

September 30
The Bernie Mac Show - Seasons 1-5
Malcolm in the Middle -Seasons 1-7
My Name Is Earl - Seasons 1-4
Prison Break - Seasons 1-4
The Wonder Years - Seasons 1-6

October 3
American Horror Story - Hotel     Renewed
The Grinder - Season 1

October 4
Raising Hope - Season 2

October 5
American Horror Story - Freak Show     Renewed

October 6
Raising Hope - Season 4

October 7
Don’t Trust the B— in Apartment 23 - Seasons 1-2
Raising Hope - Season 3

October 13 (New 9/14)
Damages - Seasons 1-5

October 15
Touch - Season 1

October 18
The Cleveland Show - Seasons 1-4

October 20
Bones - Seasons 5-11

October 26
Lie to Me - Seasons 2-3
Louie - Seasons 1-5

October 27
Salem - Season 1
Note: Seasons 2-3 of Salem do not currently have an expiration date.

October 28
Family Guy - Seasons 9-14
Note: Seasons 1-8 of Family Guy do not currently have an expiration date.

November 12
How I Met Your Mother - Seasons 1-9

November 15
Cristela - Season 1

November 19
American Horror Story - Murder House

November 29
Legends - Seasons 1-2

November 30    
Terriers - Season 1
Touch - Season 2

December 5
American Horror Story - Coven

December 6
American Horror Story - Asylum

December 8
It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia - Seasons 1-11

December 10
Futurama - Season 10

2018
January - Nothing expiring in January at this time

February 9
Futurama - Season 9

February 18
Futurama - Season 8

February 19
Futurama - Season 7


66 comments:

  1. moved from main pageJuly 13, 2017 at 7:57 AM

    Wellesley72 July 12, 2017 at 6:43 AM
    Hulu and Fox have announced a deal for Hulu to stream Bob's Burgers and The Cleveland Show exclusively on Hulu. No expiration date is showing on Netflix for The Cleveland Show, but fair warning. Hulu and Fox have also agreed to stream all past seasons of Futurama and American Dad. Since we already know the remaining seasons of Futurama will expire around the end of this year and Netflix has already ready removed a fair number of seasons of American Dad, no big surprise there. And no one should really be surprised that these shows are moving to Hulu, since Fox is a part owner of the streaming service.

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    1. Carol July 12, 2017 at 7:16 AM
      I'm in the process of checking all FOX and FX shows that have more than one season, so we don't miss any partial expirations. Besides The Cleveland Show, the currently streaming shows I checked that DON"T have any "Available until" notices are:

      90210
      American Dad
      American Horror Story
      Archer
      The Bernie Mac Show
      Bones
      Damages
      Family Guy
      The Following
      Gotham
      Lie to Me
      Touch

      I plan to check the following shows today:
      Glee
      It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
      The League
      Louie
      Malcolm in the Middle
      New Girl
      Prison Break
      Raising Hope
      Sons of Anarchy
      That '70s Show

      I'll let you know tomorrow if I find anything that is expiring. We already know about Futurama. Are there any other FOX/FX shows I haven't listed?

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    2. Tony Ramirez July 12, 2017 at 10:15 AM
      Thank goodness for Hulu. Too think I was going to drop them years ago. Also Carol "That 70's show" I think is produced by Sony not Fox even though it aired on Fox.

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    3. Travis July 12, 2017 at 10:46 AM
      i was wondering about that, too, because The Carmichael Show aired on nbc but was produced by fox. as was discussed on a previous page, the 3rd season was also made exclusive to hulu, and the show was canceled more recently, so i wouldn't count on the final season ever coming to netflix. it's just a matter of whether this and any other shows fox produced that aired on networks other than fox and fx will also be removed from netflix within the year.

      (sorry for the "off-topic" commentary)

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    4. Tony Ramirez July 12, 2017 at 10:51 AM
      I am wrong I think that 70's show is a fox show. If so my cousins step kids are going to be annoyed as they watch that show a lot on Netflix.

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    5. CanandaiguaNY July 12, 2017 at 12:15 PM
      American Crime Story: The People v. O.J. Simpson is also listed as an FX production. It's streaming and not now showing as expiring.

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    6. Wellesley72 July 12, 2017 at 12:26 PM
      Carol, 90210 was produced by CBS, and The Following and Gotham, while shown on Fox, are produced by Warner Bros. TV.

      Here is a list of additional shows produced or co-produced by 20th Century Fox, Fox 21 TV or any other production company under the Fox umbrella. Where the program was or is not being shown on Fox or FX, I have listed the applicable network next to it. All of this info is from Wikipedia:

      Arrested Development(Fox/Netflix)
      How I Met Your Mother (CBS)
      Lie to Me
      Better off Ted (ABC)
      Chicago Code
      Friends with Benefits (NBC)
      Last Man Standing (ABC)
      The Finder
      Touch

      More to come...

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    7. Anonymous July 12, 2017 at 12:30 PM
      More Fox/FX series to check:

      Fox:
      Dollhouse
      The Chicago Code
      The Finder

      FX:
      American Crime Story: The People v. O.J. Simpson

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    8. Wellesley72 July 12, 2017 at 12:37 PM
      Also,
      Don't Touch the B--- in Apt. 23 (ABC)
      Life in Pieces (CBS)
      Rosewood
      The Grinder
      Cooper Barrett's Guide to Surviving Life
      White Collar (USA)
      The Killing (AMC/ Netflix)
      Maron (IFC)
      Terriers
      Breakout Kings (A&E)
      Brickelberry (Comedy Central)
      Salem (WGN America)
      Legends (TNT)
      Queen of the South (USA)
      Malcolm in the Middle (ABC)
      The Wonder Years(ABC)
      Bordertown

      Before anyone has a heart attack, I am not aware of any of these shows expiring on Netflix. The only show from Fox animation that is relatively new is Bordertown, which only lasted one season. Some of the other shows listed, like Grinder and Touch, were also one-season wonders.

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    9. Wellesley72 July 12, 2017 at 12:43 PM
      Netflix paid big bucks to FX to get an exclusive on the first and subsequent seasons to American Crime Story, so that show is not going anywhere else in the near future.

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    10. Wellesley72 July 12, 2017 at 12:48 PM
      Thanks, Anonymous, The Finder was also on my list but I forgot to include it. Same with American Crime Story. Incidentally, there was no mention of Family Guy leaving Netflix in the article I read (which was from TV Guide). However, like the shows listed as going to Hulu, Family Guy is produced by Fox Animation.

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    11. iwilliam July 12, 2017 at 12:51 PM
      @ Tony Ramirez

      you say "Thank goodness for Hulu," but I feel the need to point out the irony in this statement -- Because Hulu, and Fox, are the ones who are doing this to you and all the other Netflix customers. As Wellesley72 pointed out above-- Fox is part owner of Hulu. That is the exact reason all of the Fox-produced shows have been disappearing from Netflix, but are on Hulu.

      The streaming game is getting more intense. Streaming is big business, and overtaking cable in terms of subscriber numbers. Traditional television networks and cable companies have stake in Hulu. Netflix is the one who's largely responsible for helping to kill cable TV. Even if it weren't for this semi-adversarial relationship with traditional media, Hulu would be trying to overcome Netflix as a direct competitor. But considering everything, who knows, maybe some part of that is even "personal" as much as it's business.

      But this whole thing puts people like myself in a bad position. I'd like to have access to some of these Fox shows, but I DO NOT want to REWARD Hulu and Fox for screwing over Netflix customers. Maybe it's in their best interest. Maybe such "selfish" choices make perfect sense in the world of business, and even in this case specifically.

      But I don't have to like it, and I don't want to support it. Even worse, is how many other traditional media companies have stake in Hulu.

      Hulu is:

      30% Disney (Through ABC Television Group)

      30% 21st Century Fox (Through Fox Entertainment Group)

      30% Comcast (Through NBC Universal)

      10% Time Warner (Through Turner Broadcasting System)

      So really, Hulu, through the magic of giant powerful conglomerates, actually represents not just four, but EIGHT different traditional media giants. All working together, to directly compete with Netflix, the very company that's been cutting into their profits for years now. They might as well call it the "Eff Netflix Group" or "Scru-u"

      But because they're representing such a wide range of major entertainment companies (Disney, ABC, Fox, 21st Century Fox, NBC / Universal, Comcast, Turner, Time Warner) they have an unusual ability to strip Netflix of a VERY LARGE portion of their popular licensed content. In fact, I believe the growth of a Hulu is a large part of the reason Netflix has decided to focus so heavily on Original Content. If Hulu takes on any more major partners, they could choke Netflix right out of the licensed streaming game.

      So I get what you're saying. It's good to have options. It's great we can still access what we want or need. But much as I want some of the content on Hulu, I'm not sure I want to financially support such a blatant attempt for traditional media to overtake the new frontier of streaming. We've all seen how bad and expensively anti-consumer they made cable. Do we really want to give them the keys to the streaming kingdom as well? Because as we've all seen with Netflix -- once a company gets to the top of the media game, it's hard to knock them off the throne again.

      Please excuse the rant, but hopefully you get where I'm coming from.

      Take care. Have a great day.

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    12. Carol July 12, 2017 at 1:25 PM
      Oy! I'm going to make a page for all shows listed in this thread, so there's a permanent place everyone can refer to for shows potentially expiring due to the FOX pull-out. I don't know what the deadline is for everything to be gone. For all single-season shows, we should get the regular 30 days notice. Hopefully, some of the multiple-season shows will also follow this pattern.

      My big concern is the partial seasons pattern that we've seen with American Dad!, Futurama, Wilfred, and Bob's Burgers (maybe more, can't remember). I don't trust Netflix to put all such shows on the press release. We'll have to remain vigilant for those brief notices in the top left corner of the screen when episodes begin.

      P.S. For anyone unhappy that this thread has taken up so much room on the main page, I'll also move the comments to the new page.

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    13. Tony Ramirez July 12, 2017 at 1:35 PM
      Good idea Carol so you will move all our posts there as you don't like us commenting here about non expiring comments.

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    14. Nica July 12, 2017 at 4:29 PM
      Thanks, Carol. I was going to suggest this when you had a moment to breathe (since this seems like it will span quite a few months). As for partial expirations, Bones and Lie to Me fell into that category as well. I don't trust the press releases, either, and went through my list to find all those multi-season shows that aired on Fox so that I can start watching them to get through them in case of partial expirations.

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  2. WOW!!! Does this mean no future seasons of American Horror Story, Family Guy or Louie?

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    1. I suspect that's the case.

      After the very disappointing season six of AHS I was planning on not watching the upcoming season seven live and instead just wait for it to show up on Netflix but it looks like I'll have to watch it live after all.

      The problem with a few of these Fox shows that are on My List is that they have quite a few seasons like It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia with a whopping eleven seasons! I could never get around to watching all of them so I'm going to have to go through the list and figure out which will be worth watching and which I'll just have to let expire without being watched.

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    2. There was an interesting column earlier this week by The New York Times TV critic saying there is no shame in missing some episodes of a show or even some seasons if they are not particularly good. You might want to Google your favorite Fox shows with "best episodes" or "best seasons" and go from there. That's what I plan on doing with The Wonder Years.

      Incidentally, AHS is also streaming on Amazon Prime.

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  3. Thank you Carol, this list will be really helpful:)

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  4. Thanks, Carol. I'm not fond of how I'll have to jump around in American Horror Story based on those dates (especially since I'm already in the middle of the first season), but at least there is enough time that I can shift gears rather comfortably.

    This also makes me glad that I have the DVD plan as well, since most of the FOX and FX shows on my queue that are multiple seasons that I haven't gotten around to yet are also available on DVD.

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  5. No new dates, but I did categorize some of the other (not on the above chart) titles we have, to help think about what's most important to watch. See top of the page.

    Also, happy to see that American Dad! is now showing "Available until" 8/15 on My List. That gives me hope that we have good dates on the chart. Also, it would seem that the dates the gal gave me are "last day to watch" dates. But I'm still going to be cautious about that.

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  6. http://cordcuttersnews.com/hulu-adding-every-episode-26-popular-fox-shows-including-glee-mash-bones/
    Glad to see the shows going somewhere.
    Once the CW and Disney deal comes up for renewal and I bet NF won't renew it thet can go to turd original only content.

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    1. No surprise from Fox. Netflix outbid Hulu for exclusive rights to stream CW shows. If the deal is similar to the prior deal, Netflix has the rights to every season of any show streaming on the CW and, after the show ends, for a five-year period afterwards. The Disney deal runs for four to five years (until 2019 or 2020). Hulu can't afford to match whatever Netflix is paying for the first rights to these films.

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    2. I have feeling that NF is not going to renew the Disney deal in 2020 they most likely rather produce there pathetic 15% kids content.

      Then Disney will have there own micro sub which I actually look forward too imagine all Disney shows from the past movies, TV shows and modern shows for about $5 a month I would sign up right away.

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    3. $5/month isn't going to get you Moana or Rogue One six months after they are in theaters. Any deal with Disney for older movies or TV shows is not part of the current deal. There have been separate deals for TV shows from ABC, Freeform, Disney Channel, etc. and Netflix shows some (but by no means) all of Disney's older catalogue of films. You can complain that there aren't enough family-friendly Disney shows and older films on Netflix; some are on Hulu, others are on various ABC/Disney channels, including a premium channel you can buy as part of a cable subscription. I can see that premium channel being sold as a streaming site, just like I can see ESPN being sold as a stand-alone streaming option. However, I think Disney will always be selling content to Netflix.

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    4. I want the older Disney catalog TV shows and movies more than the newer stuff.

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  7. The plot thickens.

    http://exstreamist.com/hulu-to-add-dozens-of-favorite-tv-shows-back-catalogs/

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  8. Just wanted to point out that Burn Notice is included in the article that Tony posted but not on our various lists. It has multiple seasons.

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  9. Hi all - I have updated this page so that it now has all of the FOX titles accounted for (hopefully). I moved some paragraphs around, and did a bit of editing, so that it flows more smoothly for anyone reading for the first time.

    The only new info, though, is that I marked the shows that are going to Hulu - (H), in green - and listed out the multiple season shows (see Section I). So I think the top of the page is complete, unless we get new details.

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    1. Thanks except I think Hulu is getting all the seasons of bones not just season 5 and up.

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    2. Tony, Carol's chart only has those seasons left on Netflix. That is why even though it is on the list of shows going to Hulu, Saving Grace (for example) isn't on Carol's list -- because it has already expired from Netflix.

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    3. Yes, Nica's correct. The same is true for American Dad, Futurama, and any others that don't have all seasons left on Netflix. The (H) applies to the whole show, not just the specific seasons left. It sounds like Hulu will have all seasons of all shows. Sorry for any confusion, Tony.

      For anyone interested in seeing a list of what Hulu will be getting (at least what they have made public so far), both Tony and Apple sent links to articles about that in above comments. The articles include shows that are no longer on Netflix, or never were, and therefore, not on this page.

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  10. 9/10 expiration date for Terra Nova confirmed.

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    1. I don't know how you get accurate information Carol on the phone or online. I get frustrated on the phone. I could never get a simple answer just some brain dead idiot half way around the world who does not even know how to turn on the device.

      Online is even worse getting old info from last decade, book results that are so inaccurate or nothing but new NF originals I don't care about.

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    2. I know how you feel, Tony. I've talked to quite a few NF CS reps that don't know very much about how things work - it's very frustrating. But it's not because they're brain dead idiots; it's because Netflix only trains them on the most common customer issues, not the more exotic kinds of questions/problems that power-users like the readers of this blog tend to have. Customer Service is usually the least respected department in any company because it uses up funds, but doesn't generate any. Management doesn't want to spend any more money than they have to on it. I was a CS rep myself for many years, so I have some insight as to how to talk to them to get what I want - if they have it to give.

      NF has various call centers around the country - I don't think they outsource to other countries. Some of their call centers are Netflix-owned; some aren't. I suspect the Netflix-owned centers might have access to more info than the others, because I've had some reps tell me they have certain information, but when I call another time about the same thing, the rep doesn't know what I'm talking about. When I sense the rep isn't going to be able to help me, I end the call quickly (but nicely). I'll wait until later, and then try again, hoping I get a more knowledgeable rep. That's what happened with the FOX info - basically, I just got lucky and connected with the right rep. It helps to have a lot of patience.

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    3. CSR Roulette is what they call it on the forums. What gets me peeved is that online suppose to be the place to find anything but lately I get so frustrated really frustrated and angry when I try to find simple information and all I get is the opposite.

      Example I want to find out new kids original programing and all I get is adult crud "13 reasons this and too the bone that" just because some of the stars were in kids movies.

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  11. Wait, we have confirmation that American Horror Story is not coming back? \

    There have been Netflix representatives in the past that have, um, neither had the full story or have been misleading when it comes to other things. So pardon me if I'm taking this with a bit of salt.

    I could also see some shows like AHS and It's Always Sunny perhaps being negotiated by Netflix as it gets closer to the due date. It just depends on how popular the series is with viewers and how much they're willing to pay for it.

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    1. What's on Netflix seems to think Season 6 of AHS will stream on Netflix in September. (They also seem to be in denial over Carol's expiration schedudule.) Given FX's antipathy toward Netflix and its attempt to create its own ad-free service (at $6/mo.), I find it difficult to believe that Season 6 or any other future seasons of AHS will appear on Netflix. Same for It's Always Sunny. I would be happy to be proven wrong, but I don't think FX is interested in negotiating. This isn't the same as the tiff between Disney and Netflix. The President of FX HATES Netflix. How Netflix got the exclusive rights to American Crime Story is beyond me--although throwing a boatload of money at FX for near-global rights was probably too much for even FX to resist. I doubt that Netflix is willing to throw more boatloads of cash to FX when they can develop their own content for the same price. AHS also is streaming on Amazon Prime which may be another reason that Netflix isn't interested in paying whatever FX might demand to stream Season 6 and beyond.

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    2. I wouldn't say denial as much as I would say being slightly skeptical. Now what you say about FX/Netflix relations may well be true. But I suspect it's more a matter of Fox wanting to make Hulu as strong as possible. But then again, they were able to negotiate a deal with FX for American Crime Story. So I'd say such things are possible. To me, the better question is how much is Netflix willing to pay to keep It's Always Sunny and American Horror Story. I've heard they have some sort of algorhythm that determines how much they'll pay for something and if FX's price is too high, then goodbye.

      I guess we'll have to keep our eyes on those expiration dates. I hope that some of this is wrong, but maybe not.

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    3. netflix has shown in recent years they are willing to let popular programs expire and not renew them. on top of that, it would be strange for supervisors to give all of these specific dates to Carol only for them to be untrue, especially since they have all been correct so far and the exodus in general is in line with what we know about netflix and its contract with fox. i have no doubt whatsoever. thankfully the series i'm interested in are available on the other two major streaming services so they aren't out of reach, even if it's less convenient to rely on multiple paid streaming providers.

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    4. My money is on Carol. Several years ago, What's on Netflix claimed that Doctor Who would be renewed by Netflix. That was based on a published report that was referring to an extension in a prior year. After Carol posted her list of expiration dates for Fox/FX shows, What's on Netflix posted a story referencing Carol's blog, although not by name. It also stated that the blog had contained numerous errors in the past. I have been following this blog since its inception and can't recall a single error. It seems odd to me that Season 6 would be added to Netflix but Seasons 4 and 5 would disappear less than a month after. I do recall that the last season of Bones, a Fox show, was added after the first five or six seasons were taken off the air, but at least the expirations followed a logical chronological order (I.e., first on, first off). Netflix also streams the last four or so seasons of Law & Order SUV. When a new season starts streaming, the oldest season on Netflix drops off. Those situations make sense to me. However, it makes no sense to me when seasons are taken off in reverse chronological order, which has been the norm recently for Fox shows. Maybe there is a whole subset of Netflix users that binge-watch shows in reverse chronological order...

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    5. The reference to Season 6 is to AHS.

      @Travis. Is American Horror Story on Hulu?

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    6. yep, it's on both hulu and prime. the only series i'm interested in either not on or announced to arrive on one of those two services is the wonder years, and i accept full responsibility for missing it because i've had that show queued since the beginning of netflix streaming. maybe i can rent it at the library.

      i'm also certain that bigger sites/blogs take from Carol's (and to a much lesser extent, our) work without credit, and i'm not surprised they would throw shade this way when they are being constantly scooped by an underdog (and who doesn't root for the underdog? jealous fools, that's who). i can't think of any errors either, just info that changed last minute that only netflix would know. for a project run by one woman, this blog and Carol are amazing. the work presented here is so meticulous it's a privilege just to read it each day. we may not like that these particular shows are leaving, but we have no reason to doubt that this is what netflix was planning at the time Carol received the info, and it's highly likely they will go through with their plans.


      as to why the out of order removals, my guess is the contracts started on those dates some increment back. i don't think netflix bothers anymore to be orderly. whatever they can get away with, they will.

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    7. Yeah, I can't recall errors, either, other than last-minute renewals and expirations by Netflix. I have definitely seen other blogs steal from this one.

      I tend to err on the side of watching stuff once it's been reported to be expiring, and since I have a few Fox shows, I've been focusing on getting them watched now. I even tried to tell someone on Facebook that given the news of Fox shows leaving Netflix for Hulu, I wasn't sure if It's Always Sunny's newest season would be coming to Netflix. Then some random bozo called me a pretty nasty name because "it's on FXX" ... which is owned by Fox. I think Netflix isn't renewing shows even when they are fan favorites because, well, people are dumb.

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    8. A little skepticism is probably wise. Although, like Travis, I also believe the info in the chart above was accurate when the rep gave it to me, could something have changed since then? Could it change down the road? Sure, of course. Still, until something different is confirmed by Netflix, it seems the best we can do is go with what we have, and use it (with fingers crossed) to try to ensure we see what we want while it is still streaming.

      As for Season 6 of AHS, those who are projecting it will arrive on Netflix in September or October are guessing, based on the timing of previous seasons coming to Netflix. None of the articles I read accounted for the split between FOX/FX and NF, so I'm definitely skeptical about whether it will come at all. If it does, it might be for just a few months. I don't know when all the FOX exits will be complete, but some seasons of Futurama are not scheduled to leave until February.

      On another note, thanks to all of you who said such nice things about this blog.

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    9. Hi Carol, folks - Kasey here from What's on Netflix. I should probably defend our position and clarify a few things :)

      Firstly, we do regularly check Carol's blog as it's by far one of the best resources for leaving content. We do link to it as a source and will be doing the same when I publish our FX list later today. Personally, I'm not so sure Netflix is going to lose the FX library as I'm pretty sure they're dealt seperately and AHS leaving will be a crushing blow frankly.

      Secondly, when I refer to Carol having errors, I'm more pointing to the fact that quite often a lot of the titles listed get renewed at the last second. It's not an insult to the work done here at all and hope you can accept my apology if it came off like that.

      As for Doctor Who, that show was up for renewal month after month if I recall and the Amazon announcement came after the show left.

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    10. Kasey,

      I think reasonable people can agree to disagree over whether content that is on Netflix is going to expire. All of us who contribute to this blog, and CaroI in particular, base our decisions to list content as expiring by looking at expiration dates that appear on the Netflix web site or apps, by notices that may appear on our Roku and other devices and by conversations with customer service reps at Netflix. I think one thing we can all agree on is that the "official" Netflix list of what is expiring in the coming month is woefully incomplete. The purpose of this blog is to alert readers to what contributors have been told is expiring so that people can watch the content before it expires.

      I'm not sure it is an "error" to state that content is expiring on Netflix if Netflix posts an expiration date for that content or if a customer service rep tells someone on this blog that content is expiring but the content is subsequently renewed.. Yes, content gets renewed from time to time but it is better to err on the side of caution since a lot of content also does NOT get renewed. If content is renewed, the content is flagged both by highlighting the content in yellow and with a renewal notice in all caps next to the content. I have been in the situation where I have watched all or most of a series that Netflix has announced is ending (one example is Arrested Development) only to find that the series is renewed at the last minute. However, if we were to rely solely on the Netflix official list of expiring titles, there would be a lot of expiring content that goes unnoted.

      You may have a bone to pick with me, not Carol, over the Doctor Who expiration. When you announced that Doctor Who was not expiring, you were relying on an article that was over a year old that referred to the renewal of Doctor Who for the previous year. You corrected that error on a post after I brought that to your attention.

      Right now, I don't think that any of us know for sure what FX shows may be expiring over the next few months, and I think we all would be happy if no seasons of any FX series disappeared. The League, which was an FX show HAS left so at least one element of the FX library has left. I think Carol has been perfectly clear that the expiration dates on Fox and FX shows has come from Netflix itself and seasons of those shows that have expired have so far expired on the dates shown on this blog. That itself is a pretty good indicator that what Netflix has told Carol or others is probably accurate but I don't think this blog is guaranteeing anything.

      I might add that the same is true of various seasons of recent CW shows that show as expiring. Since they have only been streaming for a short time, one would think that Netflix would know by now whether or not the seasons are actually expiring. This is not rocket science--someone at Netflix who has read the contract with the CW should know. Yesterday, in response to an inquiry I sent to a person at PR at Netflix, I was told the CW shows were not leaving. Yet there are still expiration dates showing on my iPad for No Tomorrow and the latest seasons of Reign, Crazy ExGirlfriend and Jane the Virgin, and customer service reps are still telling people who ask that this content is expiring. Is this a mistake on Netflix's part and should the blog not be listing this content as expiring. As the carnival barker once said, you pay your money and you take your chances. This blog is doing the best that it can based on the information that it gets from Netflix.

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  12. All five seasons of American Horror Story are streaming on Hulu and Amazon Prime. Season 6 is not included on the list of either service as being added in September.

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  13. I've noticed A LOT of FOX shows are also leaving HULU. I know this article is showing several that are leaving Netflix and going to Hulu. I just find it weird that they are removing them now too. Also, Netflix usually has every season available, Hulu only seems to have the current season, and sometimes only the last 5 episodes of the current season.

    Seems like everyone now wants to make money for their services...making "cord cutting" not so cheap and it's just more convenient to go back to cable/sat/digital and only paying one person and still getting ALL the streaming apps for free.

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    1. It is typical for Fox to have only certain episodes of the current season for a number of shows. For certain networks (like F/X or TNT) they may carry seasons of shows they have licensed after a 6-12 month period. All of the Fox shows I am interested in on Hulu have all seasons or, in the case of Futurama, are coming to Hulu in the future. I think three may be 3 or 4 shows expiring from Netflix that I don't know will be going to Hulu (like Legends). What Fox shows are you aware of that are leaving Hulu?

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  14. Here is an updated list of Fox and FX series without an (H) that are streaming on Hulu. Unless noted, the seasons are identical to those that are streaming or had been streaming on Netflix:

    American Horror Story
    Family Guy
    It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
    Last Man Standing--Seasons 1-6
    The League
    Louie
    Malcolm in the Middle
    Persons Unknown
    Prison Break
    Raising Hope
    Salem
    Touch

    Some of the series with an (H) are not yet streaming on Hulu, most notably a Futurama and the Bernie Max Show.

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  15. A correction: The League, Malcolm in the Middle and Persons Unknown are NOT streaming currently on Hulu. Sorry!

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  16. Following up on Fox shows on Hulu, these shows are also streaming on Hulu (same number of seasons except where indicated):

    Archer
    Brickleberry
    The Carmichael Show--Seasons 1-3
    Damages
    New Girl
    Sons of Anarchy
    Arrested Development--Seasons 1-3 only
    Border town
    Cooper Barrett
    Rosewood--Seasons 1-2

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  17. Following is the explanatory comment I promised to iwilliam on the main page:

    Here is the chronology of information about American Horror Story:

    July 12: I received expiration dates for each season of AHS from Netflix Customer Service. I considered these tentative, because there were not yet any notices anywhere on the Netflix streaming site. As we got to the various dates the C.S. rep gave me, the expiration notices showed up on the site. So far, the track record has been perfect for all other shows.

    This next part takes a little explaining.
    While movies get only a week’s notice on Netflix (2 weeks with some apps), anything with more than one episode, such as 2-part movies, TV Mini-Series, traditional series, and individual seasons of series get 30 days notice.

    However, if only some seasons of a series are expiring, the only place the expiration notice shows up is on the actual episodes of the season that is expiring. The notice comes on at the beginning of the episode and shows very briefly in the upper left corner of the screen. Note that it only comes up the first time you watch that season. It won’t show if you play another episode on the same day. Supposedly, it should show again the next day, or if you change profiles on the same day. But there have been times when this hasn’t worked for me, so I’m wary about believing something has been renewed until I can do some more checks (I’m in that process with AHS now).

    On Sept. 4 and Sept. 6, we were within 30 days of the first 2 seasons that Netflix C.S. had told me were going to expire. I checked the episodes of those seasons (5 and 4, respectively), and sure enough, the notices were there. Yesterday, Wellesley72 commented that he was not seeing the notices anymore. I checked, and didn’t see them either. That’s why I put up “Renewed?” notices on the main list of the blog.

    The current status is “very possibly renewed,” but I still want to be more sure. Anyone who wants to make sure they don’t miss any episodes should probably continue to watch unless we hear something official from Netflix. We know nothing of the status of Seasons 1-3. The whole show could be renewed, just seasons 4 & 5, or ?? And how long would renewals be for? A year? A month? There’s so much still up in the air.

    I wouldn’t pay attention to anything you read on another blog. That’s why I said that the blog will g mentioned probably got the info from us (but before yesterday). Unless Netflix itself is cited as a source, anything you read will be speculation. Other sites just aren’t always up front about saying that.

    I hope this clears things up for you, iwilliam. Let me know if you still have questions.

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      Here is what I did to try to determine where we are with American Horror Story:

      > Ran multiple tests of all seasons, making sure that if any notice was up, I would see it. I’m convinced the ones that were up have been deliberately taken off. (Also, I’m pretty sure some of our readers checked, and would have written in if they saw a notice.) Because notices were up with the dates given to me by Customer Service, and now the notices are gone, it makes sense those seasons have been reprieved, at least for now.

      > Called Customer Service. I spoke to a supervisor, who said she hadn’t heard anything about American Horror Story, and didn’t have it on any list of expiring titles. No real help, there, but we had a very thorough conversation about how expirations really work (she thought NF gave 30 days’ notice for everything, and that all expiring content was noted in the manual My List queue and Details page.) I felt some good was done.

      > The thing that helped me the most was checking New on Netflix USA for the history of arrival of AHS to NF:

      Seasons 1-2 arrived on 9/15/2014. That doesn’t match up with the dates we were given for expiration (11/19 for S1 and 12/6 for S2), however, we are in the ballpark for 3 years being up.
      Season 3 arrived on 12/6/2014. Our tentative expiration date is 12/5/2017. That’s 3 years exactly.
      Season 4 arrived on 10/6/2015, and was scheduled to expire on 10/5/2017, 2 years exactly.
      Season 5 arrived on 10/4/2016, and was scheduled to expire on 10/3/2017, 1 year exactly.

      What do those dates mean? Obviously, I’m just guessing, but it makes sense that Seasons 4 and 5 could have gotten a reprieve, since they’ve been on NF the shortest time. I don’t know that I’d want to risk assuming Seasons 1-3 will be renewed. And I don’t know that I’d want to chance believing Seasons 4-5 have been renewed beyond November. We’ve been seeing titles come up for renewal every 30 days or so (e.g., Star Wars: The Clone Wars). Hard to know when the expiration date will be final.

      I’m hoping to see an article by someone who talked to a Netflix contact other than Customer Service. I think NF customers deserve better information about the FOX/FX shows that are leaving. Also, will be very curious to see what the “everything leaving” press releases have to say when they come out toward the end of the next couple of months. And most of all, I encourage all of you who care about this show to keep an eye out for those notices at the beginning of episodes. Please let us know if/when they show up.

      P.S. Sorry for the long comments, but wanted you to have everything I could come up with.

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    2. I saw an article online that the DVD for Season 6 is being released in early October. It is likely that Season 6 will stream in October somewhere (Hulu, Amazon Prime, Netflix?).

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    3. If it's anything like Seasons 4-5, I would think that American Horror Story: Roanoke would stream in early October. Keeping eyes peeled on both Prime and Netflix.

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    4. Hulu has just announced their list of new programming for October, including the release of Season 6 of AHS on October 3 which I think is the same day as the DVD comes out. No word from Amazon Prime or Netflix yet on their October releases.

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    5. My guess as to why American Horror Story got renewed (at least Seasons 4-5) is that probably they were hearing too much grief on losing 30 Rock, Friday Night Lights, and One Tree Hill and didn't want to face an angry mob of customers ripping them on phone lines and Twitter.

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  18. As for Damages, I could be wrong on this but I think the show is streaming on Crackle as well. Or at least, they were in the past.

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    1. Not streaming on Crackle now although they do have all seasons of Heroes and the only (abysmal) season of Heroes Reborn. They also rotate episodes of Seinfeld monthly, which makes you why Hulu paid so much for the rights.

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  19. American Horror Story is not shown on the Netflix "official" list of content expiring (although they rarely list shows when the entire series is not expiring). They also DON'T list Season 6 as coming to Netflix in October, while Hulu shows Season 6. coming on 10/3. What does this mean? Who knows? Netflix tends not to list content coming as coming that is also appearing on other streaming services. Also, the "official" list is never complete, either for what's coming or for what's leaving. I guess we all find out if Season 5 is leaving on October 3. Who knows when or if Season 6 will arrive. Netflix, you disgust me.

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  20. AHS, Season 6, is now showing on various listings as coming to Prime on October 3.

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